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Post by IPPO on Jan 7, 2011 9:58:28 GMT -5
Don't include me -- I don't have ABS.
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ArtyG
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Post by ArtyG on Jan 7, 2011 10:46:32 GMT -5
Yo Arty- Your second paragraph nailed it... The class will be separate, all it's-own-self, but in order to help the Timing and Scoring Wizards to know that your car (for example) goes into the STP class and gets the Street Mod Pax, you'd need to display the SM and the T. Now, our software should have you already designated as SM-T and put your times into the right group, but, as a backup, we write down times. (Computers have been known to crash!) Putting the correct class and number on the car is a big help to getting the right times, cone counts, etc. Sorry, I'm kinda preaching here... (Can I get an "AMEN" ) The information is for everybody, not aimed at you alone... (Somebody Stop Me!!!) JDK AMEN! Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by 09eclipse on Jan 10, 2011 11:56:19 GMT -5
Just as additional feedback: I welcome this idea. I will certainly be starting in the Novice class, but I wouldn't see myself being competitive after moving on since I'm a true "Weekend Warrior". Not having a dedicated car, nor the funds for separate rubber I would most likely loose interest after a season or two. I could see that this would help retainment in my opinion.
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Post by GonzoRacer on Jan 10, 2011 20:29:31 GMT -5
Yo, '09- Thanks for "chiming in"... That's what we need. Now, the thing to do is run Novice for a while, 'til you're comfortable with going on, then try "Street Tire" for a while... Then let us know what ya think. Continued input is what we need to guide the class rules into shape.
See Y'all Soon- JDK
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unFIT2compete
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Post by unFIT2compete on Jan 10, 2011 22:07:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry I didn't make the meeting, but I've been thinking about this alot. I really like the idea and a good way to address both principles of this class, 1.newcomers(usually stock cars on reg tyres) and 2.experienced autocrossers who want to save money on tyres, would be to exclude the touring classes(any class that already has a "T" in it). ST classes already serve incoming 'street racing' enthusiasts well. After some time spent in the nursery of the 'Novice' class of course. Every other class is slowed down running on street tyres and wouldn't approach times in their class on non-race rubber. Wearas the ST et. al. classes would be running the same times. If you wanted to run in the new class though you could just run another class your car would fit in. For example, if I wanted to run my ST scion in the STP, I would use the Street Prepared pax: FSP-T. This still keeps it simple for the majority of newcomers and levels the playing field for the rest, which is all we can do. It is a shame there can't be a class for every car to be competitive in, but the joy is in the driving and pushing yourself. This sport is slanted towards the driver and not the car anyways. Now can we just hug it out?lol
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unFIT2compete
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Post by unFIT2compete on Jan 10, 2011 22:10:24 GMT -5
btw, I get 20k and 2/3 of a year autocrosses out of my ST race tyres.
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Post by GonzoRacer on Jan 11, 2011 10:03:03 GMT -5
Good point, Michael. I'll bring that up at the next meeting, iffen you aren't there.
Thanks! JDK
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Post by go_speed_go on Jan 11, 2011 14:33:55 GMT -5
I know we discussed "No ST cars in STP" at the meeting. We may just need to add that clarification to our local rules.
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Post by GonzoRacer on Jan 11, 2011 15:38:23 GMT -5
I know we discussed "No ST cars in STP" at the meeting. We may just need to add that clarification to our local rules. Hey Chris! I don't think that's quite what Michael was saying. ST cars could run in the STP classes, just they'd have to use the "regular" PAX index for that car. As in his example, his ST car would not use the ST PAX of 0.824 but would use the F/SP class PAX of 0.838. (F/SP being the class that particular car would go in if not in ST.) The intent is to give every car the "correction" factor they would have if they ran on autocross compounds. The PAX for the ST classes is calculated based on cars that are already running "street tires" (i.e. 140 treadwear). Makes sense to me... But what do I know?!?!?! Peace, Love and Hoosier Slicks- JDK
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unFIT2compete
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Post by unFIT2compete on Jan 11, 2011 17:00:24 GMT -5
Maybe I misunderstood, I was focusing on why the 140 tread wear rule was bothering me and that no classes were being excluded in the interest of simplicity and welcoming all comers. So I was working a way around the advantage. The way Beach Bum was talking, he could run STX in this new class. If the ST classes are already excluded than no harm no foul.
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unFIT2compete
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Post by unFIT2compete on Jan 11, 2011 17:01:30 GMT -5
I know we discussed "No ST cars in STP" at the meeting. We may just need to add that clarification to our local rules. I heard it was discussed but not implemented.
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Post by uglymazda on Jan 11, 2011 22:04:36 GMT -5
I know we discussed "No ST cars in STP" at the meeting. We may just need to add that clarification to our local rules. I heard it was discussed but not implemented. That is correct. The class as it is currently being implemented will be open to ALL classes.
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Post by go_speed_go on Jan 11, 2011 22:21:17 GMT -5
At the meeting, when this concern was raised, I specifically mentioned a car not being eligible for an ST PAX and would instead should have to use an SP or other applicable non ST PAX. It could just be that it didn't make it into the minutes. We all know how everyone is so good at talking one at a time.
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Post by IPPO on Jan 12, 2011 7:55:42 GMT -5
I agree this was discussed but don't recall it being included in the final motion and approval.
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Post by Sandy Heath on Jan 12, 2011 8:20:12 GMT -5
The only reason to have the separate class is for cars that do not fit into the street touring classes. Common sense tells you the ST classes should not be included unless they divert to their regular stock, street prepared, or street modified class for the pax calc.
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